Comments for The Sunjay Times http://times.jayliew.com Today is Sunjay, because it just is Sun, 03 Jan 2010 05:48:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 Comment on A change in direction: Python, Django, and Google App Engine by jayliew http://times.jayliew.com/2009/06/13/a-change-in-direction-python-django-and-google-app-engine/comment-page-1/#comment-57372 jayliew Sun, 03 Jan 2010 05:48:17 +0000 http://times.jayliew.com/2009/06/13/a-change-in-direction-python-django-and-google-app-engine/#comment-57372 I agree that more a more tech-savvy geographical location would be more likely to demand for new technologies .. but at any rate, imho, if you're the technical domain expert to the non-technical customer, then it's kinda part of your job to explain the benefits .. for what it's worth. Some are going to be very risk-averse and be real laggards when it comes to adopting technology<br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_adoption_lifecycle" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_adoptio...</a><br><br>If you're dealing with laggards, it may just be a waste of time trying to convince them.<br><br>As for myself, I listed 3 things above (Python, Django, and App Engine) .. and I've now the opportunity to reflect back (thanks for commenting). When I wrote this blog post, GAE did not support Java yet (so my experience has been with GAE-Python). I found out that attempting to learn GAE-Python without a proficiency in Django a challenge. <br><br>After I got the basics of Django down, how things the major pieces with each other i.e. models.py, views.py, urls.py, /templates/ .. the process of picking up GAE made more sense. In fact, I had dived into GAE before Django, and I didn't have a good feel for it, and decided that I'll tackle Django first. Then as I was going through Django, I had many "aha" moments. Aha, as in, "this was the stuff I read in the GAE docs but didn't understand, so that's what they meant!"<br><br>It's almost like climbing up this plateau, there's path 1 or 2. For me the Django path was easier to climb. Once up the plateau, climbing up from the other path was easier. <br><br>Also, back when I did this, there was no books on GAE. Just online docs. I'm like you, I prefer a book in hand with examples to work through when I'm learning something new. So I found this Django book, and I recommend it.<br><br>'Django 1.0 Website Development' by Ayman Hourieh <a href="http://bit.ly/8Ocxgh" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/8Ocxgh</a><br><br>I've now got Django and Python under my belt, but I haven't returned to pickup GAE-Python yet .. because now I'm polishing my front-end skills ;) with jQuery and jQuery UI. There's also some cons with using GAE that some have pointed out online, so depending on your goal, GAE may not be the best choice. The GAE team is still evolving to mature GAE of course. I'll have to revisit it again.<br><br>I wish you the best! I agree that more a more tech-savvy geographical location would be more likely to demand for new technologies .. but at any rate, imho, if you're the technical domain expert to the non-technical customer, then it's kinda part of your job to explain the benefits .. for what it's worth. Some are going to be very risk-averse and be real laggards when it comes to adopting technology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_adoptio...

If you're dealing with laggards, it may just be a waste of time trying to convince them.

As for myself, I listed 3 things above (Python, Django, and App Engine) .. and I've now the opportunity to reflect back (thanks for commenting). When I wrote this blog post, GAE did not support Java yet (so my experience has been with GAE-Python). I found out that attempting to learn GAE-Python without a proficiency in Django a challenge.

After I got the basics of Django down, how things the major pieces with each other i.e. models.py, views.py, urls.py, /templates/ .. the process of picking up GAE made more sense. In fact, I had dived into GAE before Django, and I didn't have a good feel for it, and decided that I'll tackle Django first. Then as I was going through Django, I had many “aha” moments. Aha, as in, “this was the stuff I read in the GAE docs but didn't understand, so that's what they meant!”

It's almost like climbing up this plateau, there's path 1 or 2. For me the Django path was easier to climb. Once up the plateau, climbing up from the other path was easier.

Also, back when I did this, there was no books on GAE. Just online docs. I'm like you, I prefer a book in hand with examples to work through when I'm learning something new. So I found this Django book, and I recommend it.

'Django 1.0 Website Development' by Ayman Hourieh http://bit.ly/8Ocxgh

I've now got Django and Python under my belt, but I haven't returned to pickup GAE-Python yet .. because now I'm polishing my front-end skills ;) with jQuery and jQuery UI. There's also some cons with using GAE that some have pointed out online, so depending on your goal, GAE may not be the best choice. The GAE team is still evolving to mature GAE of course. I'll have to revisit it again.

I wish you the best!

]]> Comment on A change in direction: Python, Django, and Google App Engine by 3dBloke http://times.jayliew.com/2009/06/13/a-change-in-direction-python-django-and-google-app-engine/comment-page-1/#comment-57371 3dBloke Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:30:41 +0000 http://times.jayliew.com/2009/06/13/a-change-in-direction-python-django-and-google-app-engine/#comment-57371 I've been trying to get enthusiastic about learning how to use Google App Engine since around August 2009. I can see it's a great opportunity, if there's enough buy-in from software developers and bigger customer IT shops. You have the advantage of being in the US where the IT market is a lot more dynamic. Here in the UK, things tend to lag, and there is limited scope for jobs in the newer IT fields.<br><br>I know there's loads of info on the web, but I like to work from textbooks when I'm starting out with a new technology. After a long pre-order, I finally received the Nov 2009 O'Reilly book, "Programming Google App Engine" (Dan Sanderson) and am reading it. The book hits the right spot for me... better than the related O'Reilly title, "Using..." (Charles Severance) which I found slow going (but may return to for reference).<br><br>I have a Java background and will likely use Java for at least some of my App Engine work, but Python has to be in there too, simply because Google and a lot of other smart people use it.<br><br>Like you, I have to learn Python from scratch. Doing so while learning the App Engine seems a good combination. How did this work out for you? I've been trying to get enthusiastic about learning how to use Google App Engine since around August 2009. I can see it's a great opportunity, if there's enough buy-in from software developers and bigger customer IT shops. You have the advantage of being in the US where the IT market is a lot more dynamic. Here in the UK, things tend to lag, and there is limited scope for jobs in the newer IT fields.

I know there's loads of info on the web, but I like to work from textbooks when I'm starting out with a new technology. After a long pre-order, I finally received the Nov 2009 O'Reilly book, “Programming Google App Engine” (Dan Sanderson) and am reading it. The book hits the right spot for me… better than the related O'Reilly title, “Using…” (Charles Severance) which I found slow going (but may return to for reference).

I have a Java background and will likely use Java for at least some of my App Engine work, but Python has to be in there too, simply because Google and a lot of other smart people use it.

Like you, I have to learn Python from scratch. Doing so while learning the App Engine seems a good combination. How did this work out for you?

]]> Comment on mod_wsgi compile error: missing Python development package? by jayliew http://times.jayliew.com/2009/09/22/mod_wsgi-compile-error-missing-python-development-package/comment-page-1/#comment-57368 jayliew Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:15:32 +0000 http://times.jayliew.com/?p=388#comment-57368 Glad I could help :) Glad I could help :)

]]> Comment on mod_wsgi compile error: missing Python development package? by jayliew http://times.jayliew.com/2009/09/22/mod_wsgi-compile-error-missing-python-development-package/comment-page-1/#comment-57369 jayliew Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:15:14 +0000 http://times.jayliew.com/?p=388#comment-57369 Comment on mod_wsgi compile error: missing Python development package? by ramo1 http://times.jayliew.com/2009/09/22/mod_wsgi-compile-error-missing-python-development-package/comment-page-1/#comment-57367 ramo1 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:00:13 +0000 http://times.jayliew.com/?p=388#comment-57367 thank you a lot. I couldn't find why I have that error and none of the websites where helping. thank you a lot. I couldn't find why I have that error and none of the websites where helping.

]]> Comment on See the world, but never forget the drops of oil on the spoon by jayliew http://times.jayliew.com/2007/07/29/see-the-world-but-never-forget-the-drops-of-oil-on-the-spoon/comment-page-1/#comment-57366 jayliew Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:48:11 +0000 http://times.jayliew.com/2007/07/29/see-the-world-but-never-forget-the-drops-of-oil-on-the-spoon/#comment-57366 I am sometimes hard on myself .. like for instance I think I'm not efficient enough at managing my time today, but that might be me just being hard on myself again .. lol. Thanks for sharing. I am sometimes hard on myself .. like for instance I think I'm not efficient enough at managing my time today, but that might be me just being hard on myself again .. lol. Thanks for sharing.

]]> Comment on See the world, but never forget the drops of oil on the spoon by seanestes http://times.jayliew.com/2007/07/29/see-the-world-but-never-forget-the-drops-of-oil-on-the-spoon/comment-page-1/#comment-57365 seanestes Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:16:18 +0000 http://times.jayliew.com/2007/07/29/see-the-world-but-never-forget-the-drops-of-oil-on-the-spoon/#comment-57365 Your to hard on your self in the book you also learn that go towards what you want in life and the universe will conspire to the way you want things, and if you dont believe that mumbo jumbo then just know that the world is never fair, life is never going to truly be how you want it, but find something that you love to do...no video games...something that makes you happy that you really dont have to do anything but calm your self (Nature for instance is an excellent thing, have you ever really sat down and just watched the leafs on the tree twist and turn in the breeze and how the color of the tree and leafs are so different from the sky) and just do something like that, and you will see that you are so little in the world but you are the one who will make the best of your life. you are your own destiny. Your to hard on your self in the book you also learn that go towards what you want in life and the universe will conspire to the way you want things, and if you dont believe that mumbo jumbo then just know that the world is never fair, life is never going to truly be how you want it, but find something that you love to do…no video games…something that makes you happy that you really dont have to do anything but calm your self (Nature for instance is an excellent thing, have you ever really sat down and just watched the leafs on the tree twist and turn in the breeze and how the color of the tree and leafs are so different from the sky) and just do something like that, and you will see that you are so little in the world but you are the one who will make the best of your life. you are your own destiny.

]]> Comment on Veracity — being honest with yourself by Rustic Furniture http://times.jayliew.com/2007/09/16/veracity-being-honest-with-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-57364 Rustic Furniture Sat, 05 Dec 2009 07:07:25 +0000 http://times.jayliew.com/2007/09/16/veracity-being-honest-with-yourself/#comment-57364 veracity is all about being honest to yourself? :D veracity is all about being honest to yourself? :D

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]]> Comment on Top world problems by Top world problems – solutions? « The Sunjay Times http://times.jayliew.com/2009/02/11/top-world-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-57361 Top world problems – solutions? « The Sunjay Times Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:29:30 +0000 http://times.jayliew.com/2009/02/11/top-world-problems/#comment-57361 [...] this year I made a list of some of the top world problems. So it just seems appropriate that I should also help push this. [...] [...] this year I made a list of some of the top world problems. So it just seems appropriate that I should also help push this. [...]

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